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Mortgage BankingInvestment BanksHeard on the StreetGlobal MacroBanking 29 Jun 2008 11:00 PM
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Even the most bearish fail to see the risk that stalks the banking world by Reggie Middleton

Nouriel Roubini, global macro Uber-Bear, has posted an interesting commentary on his blog - "The delusional complacency that the “worst is behind us” is rapidly melting away…and the risk of another run against systemically important broker dealers" which I am excerpting below with my comments in red: 

The deleveraging process for the financial system has barely started as most of the writedowns have been for subprime mortgages; the writedowns and/or provisioning for the additional losses have barely started. Thus, hundreds of banks in the U.S. are at risk of collapse. The typical small U.S. Bank (with assets less of $4 billion has 67% of its assets related to real estate; for large banks the figure is 48%. Thus, hundreds of small banks will go belly up as the typical local bank financed the housing, the commercial real estate, the retail boom, the office building of communities where housing is now going bust. Even large regional banks massively exposed to real estate in California, Arizona, Nevada, Florida and other states with a housing boom and now bust will go belly up. This is true, and the risk is borne not only by the smaller and regional banks, but the big brokers and the entire US economy as well. This is a snapshot from the Asset Securitization Crisis Series - A very significant part of our GDP is now tied up in this mess! In the decade from 1988-1997, residential loans have expanded at a CAGR of 10.1% as compared to 3.5% for commercial loans. However, in the following decade i.e. 1998-2007, residential loans grew at a lower CAGR of 11.2% as compared to 12.4% for commercial loans, mainly because of small and mid-size banks lent more in commercial real estate during the period. Although commercial real estate loans were higher paying, they also bore higher risk in the form of liquidity, valuation, market risk - which affected the risk profile of these banks that were incapable of bearing such a level of complexity in risk in the first place.

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Source: FDIC

 

Shift from traditional banking activities

With major opportunities of revenue generation being offered by trading and other investment activities, as well as the lifting of the Glass-Steagal Act in the US (which allowed commercial banks and investment banks to compete directely), banks across the globe shifted from traditional banking activities to other sources of income, leading to better revenue diversification. The ratio of non-interest income to a bank’s total income has more than doubled from 20% in 1980 to approximately 44% in 2006.

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Source: FDIC

  Back to the Roubini Excerpt...

 

And even large banks and broker dealers are now at risk. After the bailout of Bear Stearns’ creditor and the extension of lender of last resort liquidity support the tail risk of an immediate financial meltdown was reduced as that liquidity support stopped the run on the shadow banking system. Indeed in March we were an epsilon away from such meltdown as – without the Fed actions – you would have had a run not only on Bear but also on Lehman, JP Morgan, Merrill and most of the shadow banking system. This system of non-banks looked in most ways like banks (borrow short/liquid, leverage a lot and lend longer term and illiquid). So the risk of a bank-like run on non-bank (whose base of uninsured wholesale short term creditors/lenders is much more fickle and run trigger-happy – as the Bear episode showed - than the stable base of insured depositors of banks) became massive. Thus, the Fed made its most radical change of monetary policy since the Great Depression extending both lender of last resort support to non-bank systemically important broker dealers (via the PDCF) and becoming a market maker of last resort to banks and non-banks (via the TAF and the TSLF) to avoid a full scale sudden run on the shadow banking system and a sure meltdown of the financial system.

While the tail risk of such a meltdown has now been reduced the view that systemically important broker dealers - that have now access to the TSLF and the PDCF – now don’t risk a panic-triggered run on their liabilities is false; several of them can still collapse and not be rescued. The reasons are as follows: liquidity support by the Fed is warranted for illiquid but solvent institutions but not for insolvent ones; and the risks that some of the major broker dealers may face is not just of illiquidity but also insolvency (Lehman had as much exposure to toxic MBS, CDOs and other risky assets as Bear did). The Fed already tested the limits of legality (as argued by Volcker) in its bailout of Bear’s creditors.

I have a lot of respect of Professor Roubini's predictive success over the last few years, but he (like most) appear to have not taken a close look at these banker's books. Reference my original research on MS form December of last year. Once it comes to the truly illiquid stuff, Morgan has Bear beat by about 25% and Lehman beat by a large margin as well. As a matter of fact the only one's that come close are the media and Street's golden darling boys, Goldman Sachs. Surprise, Surprise!!! It always pays to go through the numbers. Is GS reyling on risky prop trading to keep up this pristine facade? Curious minds want to know.

The riskiest bank on Wall Street – High exposure to Level 3 assets despite significant write-downs

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Unconsolidated VIEs could aggravate woes

VIEs have tormented most Wall Street financial majors—several of them have had to consolidate their VIEs to increase liquidity and limit losses. These innovative, structured entities were introduced to boost earnings without transferring actual risk into the balance sheets of banks.

Morgan Stanley has significant exposure to VIEs, with the maximum loss ratio averaging roughly 50% in recent years. The large exposure ($37.7 billion in 4Q 07), high loss ratio and adverse market conditions could force the company out of business if its maximum loss assumptions become reality. Morgan Stanley’s unconsolidated VIEs comprise the most troublesome asset categories – MBS & ABS portfolios (worth $6.3 billion), credit & real estate portfolios ($26.6 billion) and some structured finance products ($8.6 billion). Loss exposure in the credit & real estate portfolio is not expected to be lower than 70% considering the slump in housing demand, falling home prices and rising foreclosures. The growing housing inventory across the U.S. has also raised concerns about the disposal of these assets. Home prices across the U.S. declined 7% (on average), while foreclosures increased 20% during the past year alone. This scenario reflects the bleak prospects of the housing industry and the securities linked to it.

 

Unconsolidated VIEs, Exposure to loss (in $ mn) and loss ratio (in %)

 

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Source: Company data

 

 

And back to Roubini... 

Suppose that a run – triggered by concerns about illiquidity and solvency – occurs against a major broker dealer (say Lehman) would the Fed come to the rescue again? The answer is not sure: such broker dealer has access to the PDCF but sharply borrowing from this facility would signal that the institution may be bleeding liquidity and be in trouble; thus large access to the Fed facility may cause the run on the liabilities of such financial institutions to accelerate rather than ebb. The reason is as follows: if creditors of the broker dealers knew with certainty that the Fed liquidity tab is open and unlimited the existence of the facility would stop the run. But if there is any meaningful probability that the amount that the Fed would be willing to lend to an institutions using that facility is not unlimited and is not unconditional then use of the facility may accelerate the run – as those first in line would have access to the liquidity provided by the Fed lending to the broker dealer in trouble while those waiting may be stuck once the lending stops. This is akin to a currency crisis in a pegged exchange rate regime triggered by a run on the forex reserves of a central bank. Once the reserves are running down and investors expect that the central bank will run out of reserves the run accelerated and the collapse of the peg occurs faster.

I tend not to build too high a concentration in any one position (risk managment guidelines), but I have been allowing certain broker banks to tilt the scale a little. I hear whispers of potential runs, and the logic is there as Dr. Roubini has illustrated and as I have pointed out in earlier posts. This combined with the fact that a couple of these brokers are quite exposed to risk and the media/pundits haves not their homework in regards to exactly who is weak and why portends another Bear Stearns-like catastrophe/profit oppurtunity.

 


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BALZAC: ...
Complacent like Blackstone Group that is losing a bundle in Lehman Brothers stock. I really think that the bankers and the financial types really believe in their own bullshit. I am really convinced that these people don't undenstand what is going on. They really don't. Complacent maybe, but mostly incapable to even comprehend the gaping black hole about to swallow the assets and their business in oblivion. We are living in extraordinary times. But the pros don't understand that this time it's different.
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goatmug: Level 2 assets
What is really scary is (and I think everyone has said this before) that while we know Level 3 is the nasty mojo, the magnitude of Level 2 on their books in that graphic is the killer.
Just assuming they lose only 20% on their Level 2 assets.....

For Citibank - that's 180Billion!!! 150% of equity right there!!
So, having said that, who's betting that they are telling the truth with the actual value of level 2 assets? Who's betting that they are accurately measuring anything in Level 2?
I know that I bet they have WAY more than 20% over-valuation in their Level 2 (especially since MBIA and ABK) have been whacked and S&P and Moody's are finally downgrading structured vehicles (although we know they aren't doing all of them or doing all of the tranches - read Mish's articles on the ALT-A downgrades).
Ok, so what if Level 2 were as much as 75% of what we have listed there and Level 3 is only 30 cents on the dollar.... that would mean that there is sooooo much more destruction and dilution coming for these guys. At some point, new capital won't be so easy to raise.

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BALZAC: ...
Nobody is saying the truth goarmug. And if it were 40% of Level 2 ? This is with a financial leverage of 48. At some point the whole banking system will be bankrupt. It's probably already the case. After all maybe Citibank is maybe worth 25 cents. Nobody knows.
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jamesandhoa: What
Are you kidding, there fate was in stone august-07, "bankrupt".
Just hope Ben "bear killer" Bernanke stops the money bailouts.
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Aristotle: ...
Balzac,

So true and nice to meet another historical character on these boards. Of course, your name is subject to a far better pun than mine.

Nouriel Roubini is one of the few economists who sees the big picture and macro problems and talks about it (some others may see it but are part of the baling wire and hay trying to keep the wheels on the economy - believing that jawboning can keep things together(sorry about the mixed metaphors, Honore).

Aristotle
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gaucho: BOA is middle of the pack & GS is a lot sicker than share price shows.
BOA
Assuming a 50% write down from the level three assets approximately 20 billion
Assuming a 15% write down of the level 2 assets is approximately 167 billion
Shareholder equity is 156 billion
BOA if truly marked to market is less than worthless.
Both of these percentages are very reasonable and probably too optimistic given the ABK and MBI downgrades. A lot of crap is hidden in the level 2 assets.
GS is as of yet the untouched princess. GS has been using counter party bets that "cover" their write downs. Who carries those counter party guarantees is important in determining GS exposure. With ABK & MBI downgrades GS is probably going to get hurt. GS could potentially provide the greatest returns since they are still have the furthest to fall.
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jarret: Next Industry
Reggie

You called the home builders, investments banks and regional banks well before it was in fashion to do so. Do you have another major area for your loyal followers that you believe is ripe with opportunity.
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The call on GS is right on!!! I just finished pages of a document handed to me on GS. Too bad I didn't read it months ago when I received it. GS uses image, contacts, regulations, and who knows what else for their "proprietary trading gains". Let's add risky leverages, too. I've never bought all the hype on GS. Their mutual funds stink! How can a company that's SO GOOD, be so horrible - as compared to other iBanks on these investments? Hhhmmmmm..... ? They can't be that great if returns on products like this are not so stellar. So just how do they get those "trading revenues"? They've got a lot on the books that's starting to rot. AND - yes, they've not been touched, much.
However, it seems as if the Wall Street games are back on. With major indexes near oversold status (from a technical trade only.... we all know there's more downside to go), companies strapped for cash, more writedowns on the way, etc.. Whatever needs to be done to "buy time" will be done. I just hope it finishes with a few more getting hauled off in cuffs as this is BS!!!
Regardless, it is what it is. Indexes along with the media pumping and Wall Street tossing out overweight and buy on valuation crap all day long, expect a rebound.

Hey, it's just a chance to re-group and re-short. Nothing better than making money two or three times on the same play! I'm just planning on making some on the way up too. The next rally which is about to start, won't last too long. That is, as long as governments don't give more taxpayers money away to delay the inevitable. A possible Europe rate hike on Thursday, could make this very interesting.

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jarret: Kip
What type of investments do you have in mind for the short term bounce as I agree very much with your comments that we will get a short correction before some more pain.
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jarret: Kip
Short term bounce I mean
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hockeyd: Banking mortgage ruling to come
Any one seen this yet today?

'Mortgage ruling could shock U.S. banking industry'
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2634924420080630

A lawsuit filed by a Wisconsin couple against their mortgage lender could have major implications for banks should a U.S. appeals court agree that borrowers can cancel their loans en masse when their lenders violate a federal lending disclosure law.

The case began like hundreds of others filed since the U.S. housing boom spawned a rise in sales of adjustable rate loans. Susan and Bryan Andrews of Cedarburg, Wisconsin, claimed that lender Chevy Chase Bank FSB (CCX_pc.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) had hidden the true terms of what they believed was a good deal on a low-interest loan.

In their 2005 lawsuit, the couple said the loan's interest rate had more than doubled by their second monthly payment from the 1.95 percent rate they thought was locked in for five years. The interest rate rose well above the 5.75 percent fixed-rate loan they had refinanced to pay their children's college tuition.

The Andrews filed the case seeking class action status; and in early 2007, U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman ruled that the bank had violated the Truth in Lending Act, or TILA, and that thousands of other Chevy Chase borrowers could join them as plaintiffs.

The judge transformed the case from a run-of-the-mill class action to a potential nightmare for the U.S. banking industry by also finding that the borrowers could force the bank to cancel, or rescind, their loans. That decision was stayed pending an appeal to the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which is expected to rule any day.

The idea of canceling tainted loans to stem a tide of foreclosures has caught hold in other quarters; a lawsuit filed last week by the Illinois attorney general asks a court to rescind or reform Countrywide Financial Corp (CFC.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) mortgages originated under "unfair or deceptive practices."

-cont'd in link-
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"Unfair deceptive practices" Now now.
That's not nice at all.
Lawyers will have a LOT of fun with this.
Love the cancellation part. That will be fun.
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fedwatcher: ...
As a semi-retired member of the boomers, this credit crisis appears orders of magnitude greater than what has preceded it. In the late 80's and 90's problem banks could be swallowed whole by stronger banks who had learned their lesson. Security Pacific by Bank of America, and First Interstate by Wells Fargo, etc., etc.

But now the problems are much larger and are the result of two decades of financial mismanagement by all players.

We are in the early stages of a massive de-levering process. More appropriate action might have been taken if we were not in a presidential election year. The next president will have his hands full of this problem. Nationalization of the banking system may be the final result.

A major depression in North America would be felt by all economies, thus greater coordinated actions by all Central Banks is in order. Stocks in all financial institutions will continue to decline. The process will be long and hard short of war.

Thus, the war talk on the web is a natural outgrowth of ?solutions past?. This is not good as the price of oil shows. The sooner house prices bottom and investors can buy homes to rent at reasonable rates, the sooner we will be on the long path of recovery.


The toxic waste in level 3 and level 2 assets is not worthless, but only impossible to price. When it becomes possible to assign reasonable values to these assets, we will be on the road to recovery. However, in the interim, the money supply will contract as loan default and recovery in the order of 50 cents on the dollar plays out. Now many of these assets are estimated at 25 cents on the dollar, but will yield more.

California real estate is the most overpriced. While the Central Valley is near a bottom, Silicon Valley, L.A. County, and Orange County have a long way to go. So the 'bottoms' in real estate will be local and appear from 2009 thru 2012.

The game must be kept afloat as it is the only game we have.
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War is a fine solution. Stab yourself in the gut so you don't feel your aching tooth.
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fedwatcher: ...
War is a very bad solution but historically has been taken. We must tell our 'leaders' that we do not want it and will vote them out if they take it.
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Not only that we really can't afford it this time.
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War??? after all the bailouts and hand outs by the fed, who is going to pay for it? Iraq has been paid for by United states credit card. If Iran is attacked oil will go
to $250.00 barrel if were lucky, You Need to Wikipedia Weimar Republic.
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jamesandhoa: ????
What is the real reason BofA is trying to bailout Country wide? I think they had no choice, there is a long rope from BofA to Country Wide, if Country Wide went down BofA would have went right down with them.BofA funded Mozilo's monster.


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fedwatcher: ...
All of these financials face counter-party risk. The cross liabilities through "Weapons of Mass Financial Destruction" (Warren Buffett's term) forced the rescue of J.P. Morgan Chase via its tax-payer subsidized purchase of Bear Stearns.

They collectively have us by the short hairs. We face the choice of "play along" or suffer another Greater Depression. Small fry face bankrupcy while large fry enjoy bail-outs.

As "ex-post facto" laws are forbidden by the Constitution, "holder in due course" protect the holders of mortgages, and size trumps small fry - the many will suffer while the few enjoy the Bahamas.

We must accept that hard times are ahead. There is no silver bullet. And watch Congress as these 'financials' write one 'bail-out' bill after another.
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Aristotle: Wall Street receiving bonuses from taxpayers
Thank goodness the Fed opened the window for investment banks, so that the people that created the problems can get taxpayer money to fund their bonuses and obtain more wealth. That giant sucking sound is the parasitic Wall Street sucking on your wallet. (Not that I am a cynic)

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Lehman Brothers (LEH:Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc
LEH 22.36, +1.40, +6.7%) is awarding its employees with mid-year stock bonuses to reward them for sticking with the bank, The Wall Street Journal reported in its online edition Wednesday. Employees will get the equivalent of 20% of the stock award they received in 2007 as a down payment for their 2008 compensation, the newspaper said. Because of Lehman's low share price, which recently dipped to levels not seen since 2000, employees will end up owning a bigger share of the bank. They already own about 30% of the company, according to the Journal. Shares of Lehman were up 7.4% to $22.50
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Jarret, sorry for the delay in responding. Short term bounce plays..... Going to ride the indexes via options and see what companies are in play. Also, near the height of the next rally, I'll move to a bearish position and start shorting the banks all again. Pay me twice!!!!! To ensure a little more stability I'll use the August expirations. Yea, I'll throw a few quick July contracts on for a trade. Don't see the S&P going too far beyond 1330-1340 range, but anything can happen. It's kind of hard to put that trade on until we get some capitulation in the marketplace (Mass Selling with a VIX spike). Despite the market being technically oversold, we're still seeing sell-offs. This week had some decent news..... sorry less than expected bad numbers - (must be listening to too many pundits) as we could get for now. I think we'll know where this market is going by tomorrow (Thursday) or Monday. We've been in oversold and overbought territory before and yet the market still continues in that direction. Same here. The move down from the May highs have been fought all the way down. Eventually, the market does what it's supposed to and I think Paulson and the Gov finally figured that out. NOTHING they've done will stop this. Cut the Dollar.... nope, Add Liquidity.... nope, Spend Taxpayers Money..... nope but we'll be paying for the mess, Raise Rates.... nope. Just let the companies fail.... "in an orderly fashion", let the mortgages go into foreclosure, let the CDOs, VIEs, etc get the value disclosed so people can actually buy them, let the ratings fall as they should to the investments and companies....... YES, it will be a mess, but a washout is needed. Most people are unprepared for what's been written on the wall for a long time.

Sorry, back to your question.... I know last Monday was Hedge Fund Redemption Day. I've read in the WSJ a while back that lines were deep for suckers, sorry.... hedge fund investors... who wanted to pull money out. Since the Hedgies, to use some Aussie Lingo for any down under blog readers, have invested in CDOs, etc.. they'll have to start selling any equity positions to ensure cash in the bank. The last few redemption days have triggered some market sell offs. The Hedgies will liquidate equities with large gains. Hence, you've witnessed the sell offs of POT, MON, & FSLR. High Beta stocks will be sold off and others, which have had a large run up. These are great short plays.

I've been in and out of Put and Call options in POT for the last two days along with my regular MS, WFC, BAC, MER, LEH, QQQQ, PNC, DIA, GOOG, WB, STI, and RF Puts and Calls. One set up for myself that I've mapped out for tomorrow..... I'll see where POT opens. POT should be down. It hit a $207 target I set two days ago. The $207 was hit in the after hours today. POT should rise back up to around the $219-$222 level before falling back down to the sub $210 level. The $219-$222 level is the linear regression level on the time view I look at with POT. Tomorrow's market is open for limited hours, so this may not play out exact. I'll also take a look at what's going on with the market and the possible rate hike in Europe. I've worked this play two days in a row using July Call and Put options.

Add this Hedgie sell off to the typical Wall Street sector rotation and trading should get even more interesting. I have searched for the amounts of redemptions the Hedgies may be facing, but have come up empty.

If you try the POT trade, please use caution. I am familiar with the movements of POT from a monthly, weekly, daily move. This helps in trading. You've got to know where your target is. I am using a disclaimer here for anyone reading... execute any trades at your own risk. I think this is implied when reading an entry from somebody dropping a note in the comment section, but just incase..... I am not responsible for anyone's trades except my own.

Hope y'all have a great weekend!
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anilg1: UnionBanCal Corp- UB
Hi Reggie,
Whar are your views on this Bank.(Information from Yahoo website)
Shares outstanding:- 137.99 mil- Float- 136 Mil. (Insider's hold .08 % only)
Current assets 31 Mar 08:- 3.15B current Liabilities:- 48.3B (Cash flow problem)??
Longterm Debt & other Liabilites:- 4.8B And Share Capital net- 4.3B
In first Qrt increased the loss provision to 80 mil from 5 mil in 2007.

"As the level of uncertainty in our principal portfolio segments and, in particular, in our homebuilder portfolio has increased, we provided a total of $80 million for credit losses ($72 million for loan losses and $8 million for losses on off-balance sheet commitments) in the first quarter of 2008. The provision increase was primarily due to negative risk grade trends in the homebuilder portfolio and weakening operating conditions in the homebuilding industry coupled with strong loan growth

But nowhere have they mentioned how much are the off balance sheet commitments.

It looks like a good candidate at $40.Your expert guidance is sought for as I think this can be a DOO Doo bank in your list.
Thanks
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Norka West: Level 2 Assets aren't necessarily bad
Corporate bonds are usually classified as Level 2 assets since they do not trade every day and so are matrixed priced. This true for good solid companies with operating earnings and investment grade ratings.

Foreign sovereign debt is also classified as Level 2.

Below is a link to a PDF where one pricing service (Reuters) classifies the securities prices it provides.

http://about.reuters.com/productinfo/datascope/material/FASB_Statement.pdf

Please don't go into a panic about Level 2 assets. Unless their portfolios are limited exchange traded stocks or US treasury securities, they should have a lot of Level 2 assets
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goatmug: Kip & KCDallas - Trading thoughts

I know that everyone is looking for this oversold rally, but I'm not 100% sure that we get it. In fact, Monday could potentially be very nasty in the banks with the UBS disclosure that they are facing more write offs and are being investigated for the Wealth Mngt Tax issue and now the CDS issue. At some point the street and the public are going to wake up and realize that it isn't just UBS pulling shennanigans (like LEH's off balance sheet R3 ala "Enron's Nigerian Barge Debacle". I am waiting for a little spike in UBS to put on shorts there.

As far as some of the more traditional picks from Reggie's list, two in particular have really held up (PNC & STI) and I've been in and out and have made some money, but certainly not like my other shorts in LEH, BAC, MS, MBI, & C.
Pricing action in PNC & STI is beginning to look weak. Remember when STI came out and said their dividend was solid and they had a strong handle on write downs and loan loss estimates? Then Dick Bove wrote the article that they were a good take over candidate? We'll STI is back down about 20% from when I started focusing on it and it looks like it is accelerating to the downside.
Second, PNC has really been the one with relative strength and frankly a bit frustrating for me. First, the puts have less liquidity and therefore the bid/ask has been wide. Also, the stock has traded steadfastly around the $57.50 area and because the liquidity has been poor, I haven't been able to take advantage of being nimble to trade the gyrations like I have on LEH, BAC, and MS.
Having said all of that, from a downside direction, I think that when PNC goes, it is going to be the one that really blows and will deliver great downside returns (if you're short). I will probably watch the action closely on Monday and Tuesday and reenter with a larger position.

Finally, for those out there that have had some of the liquidity issues with options on some of these regional banks (I don't short simply because I only trade in my IRA), I have been buying puts on the XLF. I was buying SKF but felt like it was not tracking as well as it should have and required me to spend a lot of money as a percentage of my account to get up to 400 or 500 shares. I like the narrow b/a on XLF puts and now have a significant position size in varying strikes px and dates (with the longest the Jan 09's).
I think like everyone else I've been anticipating a bear rally here, and I know many folks just don't like to be in on weekends or holidays, but I have some significant gains and am willing to stay in and risk some losses of those gains not to miss the gap down on the open on one of these days when a news story breaks that brings the market to its knees.

Any thoughts from the crowd regarding pivot points and action would be greatly appreciated.

Last, Reggie and others -
Barclay's continues to be one to examine. They too continue to state they don't need capital, but then come back to the well. When I was trading asset backed stuff, CDS, and HY, they were often the guys I did repo with that would give me the most aggressive terms and would let me lever up 100x (I worked for a private company that have $2B cash with them and AAA rating for whatever that was worth). Anyway, other banks wouldn't touch the aircraft leases we